I'm interested in establishing several principles before we debate the merits of any one individual point scoring system. Once the principles are in place (and agreed to) then it makes sense to evaluate the alternatives against the principles. Seems to me that we need to decide lots of things.... 1) How many players should score points towards team point totals? No one debates the role of the Regional/National Collegiate Championship in crowning the best individual competitors, but what of teams? What makes the best team? Is it depth? Is it selected great team member accomplishments? I think I know what I don't want the best team to be: neither a team of 1 player, a "ringer" who by winning every event earns enough points to win the "team title"; nor a team of 30 players, each of whom win one round in the consolation event but cumulatively outscore all other teams on sheer volume. Somewhere in between is the answer. With the USBA developing "gender equity" initiatives to increase the size of Collegiate Badminton teams to 5 singles, 5 doubles, perhaps no more than 5 singles, 5 doubles, 5 mixed teams ought to be eligible to score points? Or, perhaps fewer point scorers should be allowed. Of course there will always be the argument, which has significant merit, that we should still be encouraging maximum participation, so every team member's efforts should count. What do you think? 2) Just what is the role of a Consolation Draw? Is it to provide consoling activities for those players who lose in the first round of the main draw? Or is it to provide additional competition for the less experienced players, allowing them to fight it out for tie-breaking points to put their team over the edge? Or should we just acknowledge that 1/2 of the entrants lose in the first round, and that if the 1/2 that lost were to play off against each other each of them would legitimately earn points for their team and against their opponents' teams. Before one discounts the consolation round's merit, one should consider that IBF (International Badminton Federation) and USBA (US Badminton Association) regulations require that draws be conducted in a truly "random" fashion. This means that in a draw of 16 players, only 2 may be seeded (based on results, etc.). ALL of the remaining players must be randomly placed in the draw. This could result in the 3rd best player facing (and losing to) the #1 player in the first round. On what basis would you claim that this "3rd best player's" points should count less than other player who get "good" draws in the main draw? There are tournament "systems" such as the Tempere, or the one used at the US National Closed Championships, which allow players who lose to progressively feed back into various consolation draws, until virtually every permutation has been played, and all players are statistically certified to have finished in a certain place in the draw. After playing in one of these events, besides being tired, one has a very good feel how they "stack up" to the others in the draw, irregardless of "bad luck" in an early round. Given such systems, it is entirely possible for that "3rd best" player who lost in the first round, to have a chance to fight through several consolation rounds, and to get a chance to beat the semi-final loser in the main draw (and in so doing, establish his or her legitimate "3rd best" status). Having said this, all of the players who lose in a first round and move to consolations, usually are less likely on average to fit this unusual coincidence just described. So, I feel that consolation wins should count less than the main draw. .... to be continued....